{"id":5556,"date":"2021-10-03T12:18:37","date_gmt":"2021-10-03T11:18:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/?p=5556"},"modified":"2022-11-19T11:57:21","modified_gmt":"2022-11-19T10:57:21","slug":"the-noisy-one","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/de\/2021\/10\/the-noisy-one\/","title":{"rendered":"Das L\u00e4rmding"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"shariff\" data-title=\"Das L\u00e4rmding\" data-info-url=\"http:\/\/ct.de\/-2467514\" data-backend-url=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/plugins\/shariff-sharing\/backend\/index.php\" data-temp=\"\/tmp\" data-ttl=\"60\" data-service=\"gftr\" data-services='[\"googleplus\",\"facebook\",\"twitter\",\"reddit\",\"info\"]' data-image=\"\" data-url=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/de\/2021\/10\/the-noisy-one\/\" data-lang=\"de\" data-theme=\"colored\" data-orientation=\"horizontal\"><\/div>\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"533\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-533x400.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5550\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-533x400.jpg 533w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-2048x1536.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7660-400x300.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 533px) 100vw, 533px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Hey! Ich hab&#8216; mal was gewonnen &#8211; einen <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dreadbox-fx.com\/typhon\/\">Dreadbox Typhon<\/a> (in einer Amazona-Verlosung). Hammermaschine! Gro\u00dfartiger Sound, und echt clever, wie man mit ein paar wirklich handschmeichlerischen Kn\u00f6pfen die sch\u00f6nsten Soundver\u00e4nderungen hinfrickelt&#8230; Wenn das Ding nicht nur so ein fieses Rauschen produzieren w\u00fcrde.  <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-audio\"><audio controls src=\"www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/TyphonNoise.m4a\"><\/audio><figcaption>Dreadbox Typhon powered from USB hub; preset A1<\/figcaption><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Hier, einfach mal reinh\u00f6ren! Wundervoll &#8211; aber am Anfang, der b\u00f6se Einschaltl\u00e4rm, ist nicht zu \u00fcberh\u00f6ren, und das kratzige hochfrequente Bratzeln auch nicht (auch wenn es interessanterweise in der Aufnahme nicht mehr zu h\u00f6ren ist, wenn der Sequenzer startet; es ist da, die ganze Zeit, glaubt mir. )<\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Ganz klar: Digitales Rauschen. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<!--more-->\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Ein paar S\u00e4tze \u00fcber (digitale) Erdschleifen<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>So sind die Ger\u00e4te verschaltet. Nichts Unerwartetes: Der RodeCaster Pro als Mischer und Audio-Interface; da ist er \u00fcbrigens richtig gut. Der Typhon geht analog raus und in die Electribe, die dann wieder in den Rodecaster geht. Ein USB-Hub, der alles verbindet und den Typhon mit Strom versorgt. (Und gibt es da noch die oldschool MIDI-Verbindung von der Electribe in den Typhon, die ich vergessen habe reinzumalen.) <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"533\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667-533x400.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5561\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667-533x400.jpg 533w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7667.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 533px) 100vw, 533px\" \/><figcaption>My setup, first attempt &#8211; blue arrows show USB connections, read lines are asymmetric audio lines, power supply lines are black. And yes, I left out the MIDI connection from the Electribe to the Typhon (and a couple of other things).<\/figcaption><\/figure>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Problem: Offenbar sorgt die USB-Stromversorgung f\u00fcr eine Masseschleife. Kennt man ja von analogen Ger\u00e4ten, wenn man die Steckdosen in die falsche Reihenfolge gesteckt hat und pl\u00f6tzlich ein fieses 50Hz-Brummen aus dem Amp dr\u00f6hnt. Soweit ich es verstehe, liegt das daran, dass die Ger\u00e4te mit ihren Massen nicht nur mit der Erde verbunden sind, sondern auch miteinander, wodurch eine Schleife entsteht. Nix gegen Schleifen, aber die wird dann zum Empf\u00e4nger f\u00fcr St\u00f6rfrequenzen wie den Netzbrumm. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Oder eben f\u00fcr die digitalen Signale des USB-Bus oder der diversen kleinen Computer in den Synthesizern. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Das beste Mittel gegen eine Erdschleife: sie aufbrechen. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Was man gegen das digitale Rauschen tun kann<\/h2>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Ein wenig bei <a href=\"https:\/\/gearspace.com\/board\/electronic-music-instruments-and-electronic-music-production\/1315921-dreadbox-amp-sinevibes-typhon-9.html\">Gearspace herumgelesen<\/a>; so stellen sich die Optionen da:  <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\"><li><strong>Den Typhon-Ausgang \u00fcber ein Paar DI-Boxen f\u00fchren<\/strong> &#8211; klobig. Zudem: Die DI-Boxen von Thomann sind zwar fein und g\u00fcnstig, aber sie haben nur XLR. Ein Kabel l\u00f6ten? Heute nicht. <\/li><li><strong>Ein galvanischer Isolator f\u00fcr den USB-Anschluss<\/strong> &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.reichelt.de\/de\/de\/usb-isolator-galvanische-trennung-host-geraet-usb-care01-p116460.html?PROVID=2788&#038;gclid=EAIaIQobChMIkp-R24qu8wIVEON3Ch2qfACyEAQYASABEgK8_PD_BwE&#038;&#038;r=1\">80 Euros?<\/a> Are you kidding? [Erg\u00e4nzung: Ja, es gibt auch billigere. Aber die taugen nicht f\u00fcr die Stromversorgung des Typhon.]<\/li><li><strong>Ein USB-Kabel umoperieren: die Datenverbindungen und vielleicht sogar die Masseverbindung trennen. <\/strong>&#8211; Heute nicht.<\/li><li><strong>Das Audio-Interface vom USB-Bus trennen.<\/strong> &#8211; Das geht: Sobald ich den Rodecaster abst\u00f6psele, ist Ruhe. Okay, man k\u00f6nnte den Rodecaster jetzt direkt in den Computer st\u00f6pseln. Und wie kriegt die Electribe dann ihre Midi-Clock? <\/li><li><strong>Besseres USB-Kabel<\/strong> &#8211; anscheinend hat Dreadbox zu Beginn vor einigen gelieferten USB-Kabeln gewarnt. Also ausgetauscht, hat nix gebracht. <\/li><li><strong>Eigene Stromversorgung f\u00fcr den Typhon. <\/strong>&#8211; Ist einen Versuch wert: Ein altes iPhone-Steckernetzteil aus dem Schrank geholt, \u00fcber ein LAAANGES USB-A-auf-B-Kabel (alias: &#8222;Druckerkabel&#8220;) den Typhon in das Steckernetzteil.<\/li><\/ul>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<div class=\"wp-block-image is-style-rounded\"><figure class=\"alignright size-large is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/img_7661-1-edited-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5564\" width=\"194\" height=\"200\"\/><\/figure><\/div>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Der letzte Versuch hat&#8217;s gebracht: Seit der Typhon sein eigenes Steckernetzteil hat, ist Ruhe. Zum Gl\u00fcck war noch genau eine Steckdose frei. Das ist dann die schnellste und einfachste L\u00f6sung. <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Eins noch: Seit dem letzten Firmware-Update (V4.0beta2) gibt es noch eine andere M\u00f6glichkeit &#8211; ganz auf die analogen Ausg\u00e4nge des Typhon verzichten. Er gibt in der neuen Version den Sound auch digital \u00fcber USB raus &#8211; und meldet sich dabei als Standard-klassenkompatibles 48kHz-Stereo-Audiointerface an. (Da ja ohnehin ein erstklassiger digitaler Effekt vor dem Ausgang sitzt, liegt der Sound ja digitalisiert vor.) Nur muss man dann die DAW noch \u00fcberreden, aus zwei Interfaces gleichzeitig aufzunehmen; ich glaube, das geht gar nicht.  <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<p>Also bleibt die Verdrahtung erst mal so: <\/p>\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"533\" height=\"400\" src=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668-533x400.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-5562\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668-533x400.jpg 533w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668-200x150.jpg 200w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668-400x300.jpg 400w, https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/IMG_7668.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 533px) 100vw, 533px\" \/><\/figure>\r\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Best way to get rid of the digital noise caused by the USB-powered Dreadbox Typhon. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/de\/2021\/10\/the-noisy-one\/\">Weiterlesen <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":5566,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"iawp_total_views":210,"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,353],"tags":[505,413,74,644],"class_list":["post-5556","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-maschinelles","category-musik","tag-analog-synthesizer","tag-synthesizer","tag-usb","tag-ground-loop"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Das L\u00e4rmding<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.untergeek.de\/de\/2021\/10\/the-noisy-one\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"de_DE\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale:alternate\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Das L\u00e4rmding\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Best way to get rid of the digital noise caused by the USB-powered Dreadbox Typhon. 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